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Subject: WLed book, 48 hour hold?
Date Posted: 2/24/2010 1:05 PM ET
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I'm not trying to complain, but does the 48 hour hold annoy anyone else?  I have a book that is wanted by 20+ people and I had about 6 books going out yesterday and I wanted to include this one with it, but it's still on hold by the member.  I now have two other books I'm sending out and I would like to make the trips together, I have a 6 month old, need I say more?  If they don't want the book couldn't they just pass it along or get a credit to move this book along?   Who knows maybe for some reason they haven't been able to check their PBS?  Any thoughts on this? 

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 1:12 PM ET
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It annoys me.  My feelings are that if you really want a book, it shoud be on auto request on your Wish List.  I have had one wish list book go through three members  before the 4th took it.  It timed out on the first three members.  That means the book sat there for almost a week before someone who really wanted it got it.

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 1:39 PM ET
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I'm ok with it. Some people always seem to be low on credits. That 48hrs allows someone to buy a credit or maybe have a book they've mailed been marked received.  Or if it was a book that just went lost for them-that 48hrs is a chance for them to wait a bit to see of the first one shows up.  Or maybe they marked on RWP but it's still readable and they forgot to delete it from their WL after it was put back. 

What I do when I have one that's not being accepted quickly-I hold off on accepting any other book requests I get.  I usually only go to the Post Office once a week.  PBS gives 5 days to accept a request. If I've just gone to the post office then I might let requests sit a day or two or three before I accept.  It's perfectly within PBS rules.  And no I am not goign to pay extra for PBS postage (or other online postage)  just to mail a book faster.  A lot of members have a once a week PO day and do the same thing. Although if I have several come in then I might make 2 trips. 

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Date Posted: 2/24/2010 1:56 PM ET
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I am in favor of the 48-hour hold.  I often could not log into PBS on weekends, and needed all the time I could get to process my WL books that came in.  Even with 48-hours, it was often not enough time.  If a WL request came in on Friday night after I'd logged off, it would be canceled by that Monday when I logged in, even though I wanted the book.   I'm -still- waiting for one WL book that canceled this way, two years later...

I had to change the way I managed my account, and allow for WL AutoRequest Yes on my WL.  I didn't want to convert to that option, I wanted to know exactly what books were on the way to me, and used the notifications to help me manage my books.  Now that I've revised the way I do things, I love AutoRequest Yes and have ALL my WL books listed in this mode.  But I still can see the usefulness of the 48-hour hold.

PBS members need to learn patience.  *grin*  It is not a place set up for instant gratification.  Books here do not show up right away when you want them, and do not always get requested when you want them to, either.  It's hard, but worth the extra effort.  My "patience practice" has come in handy in other areas of my life!

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 2:26 PM ET
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Date Posted: 2/24/2010 2:27 PM ET
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I had already accepted the other 6 books to send out so I really wanted to add this one along with it.  I have patience, but I know a lot of others want the book also.  I really try to send my books out as soon as possible to keep things moving for PBS, other members, and myself.  Don't you get email notifications for a book you have WLed or do some people turn that off?  I like the idea of a hold, but like Kate said, you can have a book sitting there for a week plus if people just let the book time out.  I am a busy mom so the more I can get done in one trip the better, I guess I am used to things always moving and when something needs done I try to do it right away. 

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 2:46 PM ET
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You can mail 1 book directly from your mailbox with stamps.

There are tons of people who can't do this. In my neighborhood, for example, we have central mail boxes, and the outgoing mail slot is letter sized. No getting a book in there at all. The nearest blue box is at least 6 miles away. And, I work from home, so I don't go out on a regular drive everyday.

I'm another one that only goes to the PO once a week. I postpone accepting orders until it fits my weekly trip. Sometimes if I am making an extra trip for other reasons, I will also mail books earlier at the PO, but typically, I just mail all my books on Sunday.

It can be irritating to wait for someone to accept a book, but if it doesn't get accepted fast enough to go in the current mailing, then it just waits for the next one. After all, if they are delaying accepting it for whatever reason (need a credit, etc) ... then they also shouldn't have any problem with me delaying it until it fits my weekly trip to the PO.

I don't like to put everything on auto request because I often have multiple versions of the same book on my WL. And, it is rare, but it has happened that I have been offered 2 different versions within the same time frame. I had to pick one to get.

I also try to clean off my WL and remove versions of books that I have received thru PBS or another way, but sometimes I miss one (don't get me started on Wish List search not working anymore!) .... and, so I am glad that most of my books are not on auto request.

I do not forsee any time ever when I would put most or all books on auto request. I just don't manage my account like that.

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 3:48 PM ET
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I used to try and do this. I'd list several wish listed books assuming I would make one trip to the PO. I quickly learned this is not always the case. I try not to rely on it for that very reason. However, I still try to do it (what can I say, it's possible that they will all line up magically :P). A few weeks ago I went through 6 wishers on one book before the very last seventh wisher accepted. Needless to say that book made it's trip to the PO a whole week after the other two books I was sending out.

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 4:11 PM ET
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I'm okay with the 48 hour hold.  It gives people a chance to buy credits if they need to.  When I am trying to mail off a book, it can seem like forever but one thing I've learned from the site is patience.

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 6:33 PM ET
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Thanks for all the insight and thoughts on this.  There are only a few more hours left on the 48 hour hold so I'm hoping it will get picked up tonight so I can mail it with my other 3 books that are going out tomorrow....


I have a central mailbox, so I can't send them off from my house.  I have to go to the post office, I stay at home with my daughter so for me it can be a hassle to go out sometimes.  But patience is a virtue, so if this person doesn't pick it up, I know there are 19 others waiting in line for it :) someone has to want it! 

Date Posted: 2/24/2010 7:14 PM ET
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Some people are just not as addicted to the site as others!!!!!

Date Posted: 2/25/2010 1:22 AM ET
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I'm fine with the 48 hour hold as well. I've had to wait for  wishlisted books to cycle through a couple people before being accepted. That's why I participate sometimes in the forum threads. If I need something to go out quickly then I offer it up there. It's gone with a matter of a couple of hours usually. If I'm not in a hurry, I send it FIFO.

On the other side I've had to wait up to five days for the sender to accept the book after I've accepted it. That doesn't bother me either. I have so much to read and have books going in and out of my house on a regular basis.

Date Posted: 2/25/2010 5:25 PM ET
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I'm with you, Rachel. It annoys me.

Date Posted: 2/25/2010 7:49 PM ET
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It doesn't bother me at all.  We all have lives and this site isn't the top priority to many of us.  Forty eight hours isn't all that long. 

Date Posted: 2/25/2010 9:44 PM ET
Member Since: 8/10/2009
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I feel your frustration.  But I also understand the need to give people enough time to respond.  When I first joined I was out of credits but had several books mailed.  And low and behold I think it was my first WL book was offered.  I needed the time to obtain the credit.  Congradulations on that precious baby. 

Date Posted: 2/26/2010 4:18 PM ET
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Thanks!  Normally it doesn't bother me, but I had 9 books go out this week so I had already had my husband make 2 trips to the post office and then after he went to the P.O. the book was finally requested.  I understand people need time to get credits and so forth, I just like to combine trips and I had TONS of orders go out this week, 10!!!!  I guess patience is required, but I still was able to get the book sent out ASAP and keep 'em moving :)

Date Posted: 2/26/2010 4:37 PM ET
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I understand how nice it is to combine trips, but I really think that's an unrealistic goal. What happens to the next order? And the next? The one after that? Does one keep holding off on all the other books that are ready to go? Unless all your books have already been ordered, there's always going to be a next one!

I think the best way to think about this is in cycles. Figure out how often you want to go to the post office, and if a book isn't ready to go in that cycle, it goes in the next one. Given that we cannot control who is going to want our books and when, we're only going to aggravate ourselves by acting like we can.

There's a 48 hr window to accept an offered book, and there's a substantially longer window in which to mail it - these two variables are known up front and are synergistic. If you count on going to the post office every "X unit of time", then it doesn't really matter which trip a particular book goes out on, right? With all respect, if there's a particular urgency for a book, PBS isn't really the right place to get or send it - that's not what it's designed for and you'll just aggravate yourself unnecessarily. :-)

Edited to Add: For me, the real issue is that people WL a book and then forget about it (or PBS itself), or for whatever reason ignore the responsibilities they've agreed to when WL'ing books. These folks come to light most during the 48 hr window. I think the 48 hrs "issue" is actually more a proxy for the real problem, not the problem itself.

Last Edited on: 2/26/10 4:40 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 3/14/2010 10:52 PM ET
Member Since: 12/11/2009
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I know I have had NO credits and a wishlisted book of mine was offered to me. BUT I had books on their way to other people so I waited to see if any of them were marked "gotten". Lo and behold with only about an hour to go on the 48, one of them was and I was able to get the book I wanted.

Date Posted: 3/15/2010 8:32 AM ET
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I use 48 hour hold when I have multiple version of the same book on my WL. I usually put the most desired version on autorequest and the rest on 48 hr. hold. Also, I do not remove any other versions until I actually have my WL book in my hands. If this means I end up with two books (one in my hand, one on hold, or even on the way) that's okay. Generally I just pick one and repost the other one. Very rare, but it happens.

If I have a book due to arrive any minute, I'll wait the FULL 48 hours to see if it arrives before I accept or decline the second offer. It's a service offered by the club and I fully intend to use it when it suits me.

If I'm in a situation where the 48 hour hold is causing me to make some decisions about trips to the PO (with or w/o small children) I will choose the furthest possible "mail by" date and hope that another reason to make a trip to or near the PO presents itself.