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Subject: What happens scenario
Date Posted: 2/1/2010 12:13 PM ET
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Ok, here's a hypothetical situation.  I am offering a deal on books, but exclude certain books.  Someone orders a book that was not part of the deal.  If I cancel the request (choosing "I can't send this book), I believe I go to the end of the FIFO line.  But if the person requesting cancels the order I don't.  So what happens if I never accept the request and it times out.  Does that send me to the end of the FIFO line also?

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 12:25 PM ET
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So what happens if I never accept the request and it times out.  Does that send me to the end of the FIFO line also?

The book will be removed from your shelf, and you will have to repost it. So yes, after you re-post it you'll be at the end of the FIFO line.



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Date Posted: 2/1/2010 12:33 PM ET
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So if the person requesting refuses to cancel the order, I'm basically stuck.  On the other hand, if they don't cancel the order I'm really not obligated to send them anything other than the book they ordered.   But, then, I might get stuck again at the other end if the person I send the book doesn't ever mark it as received.  That's quite a quandry.

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 1:06 PM ET
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But, then, I might get stuck again at the other end if the person I send the book doesn't ever mark it as received.  That's quite a quandry.

Oh lord have mercy. 

Use PBS DC and then your book is guaranteed. You will get your credit.  Another quick solve from PBS! 

What's that? You don't want to use PBS DC? Oh, too bad so sad, (to quote you)  yes you lose your credit if they don't mark it received. 

Anyhow, I was right, I'm guessing the "sender needs to get the credit instead of the receiver" is the new theme. Awesome. 

1. You want plastic. Put an RC. Oh wait, that's right , you don't want to put an RC, you just want to complain.

2. Use PBS DC to guarantee. Oh wait, that's right, you don't want the extra expense of PBS DC, you just want to complain. (Oh but you'll pay a yearly fee that will probably total more than the DC. Makes sense to me. NOT!)



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Date Posted: 2/1/2010 2:17 PM ET
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Are you sure the person who ordered the book "not part of the deal" was wanting the deal?  Could it be an order from someone who just got to your book via FIFO and has no idea you are holding a deal involving only certain books from your shelf, and maybe they just want THAT book?

Or was this someone who had specifically PM'd you about a deal before they made the request? If so, have you sent them a PM to let them know the book they chose is not part of those in your deal? What did they say? Why would you go cancelling or not responding before speaking with the person first? If they don't respond to a PM, and they refuse to cancel (although I can't imagine why they would, if it's not a wishlisted book--which I'm guessing it isn't, given that it was on your shelf) and you're really worried about your credit, just send it with PBS DC to be sure you get it. But I would be very sure to explain clearly in a PM that you are only sending the one book as it was a book that was excluded from your deal.

Oops, I just noticed you describe this as a "hypothetical" situation. Sorry. Ignore that whole thing.  I don't do deals because of all the hypothetical situations that can crop up. Besides, any book I really want I am very willing to use a credit for.

Cheryl



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Date Posted: 2/1/2010 2:50 PM ET
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Why don't you just list the books that are not part of "the deal", so there won't be any confusion?   

In your signature you have stated that you are doing a 3 for 1 deal,  and that the person must PM you first to get approval on whether or not the books they want are included. 

JMO, but that is kind of a pain.   You are asking someone to play a quessing game about which books are eligible,  and it could be a waste of both of your time. 

Just state upfront which books are eligible, and which ones are not.  

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 2:59 PM ET
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That's quite a quandry.

I don't get why this is a quandary.

quan-dar-y, n: doubt; uncertainty; a state of difficulty or perplexity; a predicament; a dilemma

The solution is very simple:  If you are concerned enough, buy the insurance (DC).  If you're willing to take the chance, don't.

Most hypotheticals will never happen to you.  King Solomon:  "Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof."  My mama:  "Don't borrow trouble."



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Date Posted: 2/1/2010 3:01 PM ET
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This is all to do with another thread. She's not worried about any deal ... just the fact that the sender will lose something, be it credits, or books I dunno ... I've lost track of all her complaints except the ones I hear over and over again. 

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 3:10 PM ET
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wait a minute. I just re-read the OP. Its a hypothetical (a confusing one at that). Which means it hasn't happened yet (or may never)..

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 3:17 PM ET
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 Which means it hasn't happened yet (or may never).

Exactly.

She gets to the crux of it in her second post, which is all about the fact the sender doesn't get a credit back if the book isn't marked received. Deja vu ... back to the other thread. 

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 3:40 PM ET
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You really need to be more clear about your deal so that this "hypothetical" situation does not occur.  Who's to say what's in "high demand"?  Realistically, "high demand" means wishlisted and therefore would not be on your shelf to be ordered from FIFO.  Either offer a deal or not, it's really not appropriate to offer one and then pull it out from under someone simply because you think they are requesting books that are in "high demand".

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 3:49 PM ET
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All the people I have done deals with are clear in the conditions from the beginning. Like saying "only paperbacks" or "only such-and-such series." I think as long as you're clear on what the deal is then you won't have any problems like this. I think if you are unclear and someone chooses a book you don't want to include in the deal then it is your responsibility to cancel the request. However, since the books are probably not going to be WL, I doubt the requestor would mind cancelling since they aren't losing their place in line.

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 5:58 PM ET
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So if the person requesting refuses to cancel the order, I'm basically stuck.  On the other hand, if they don't cancel the order I'm really not obligated to send them anything other than the book they ordered.   But, then, I might get stuck again at the other end if the person I send the book doesn't ever mark it as received.  That's quite a quandry.

Why would anyone offering limited deals not tell people what they can & can't request before they order?  If it's not a BB deal, they could simply post a list on their bookshelf header.  Why would they (or you) not just post a list of ineligible books there?  Does this hypothetical person ever actually get any orders on this hypothetical deal?  Cuz it's kinda hard to imagine...

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 6:05 PM ET
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I love cats!

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 6:10 PM ET
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Lol.  And I love you, Cheryl:)

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 6:25 PM ET
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Why would anyone offering limited deals not tell people what they can & can't request before they order?

I did rather wonder what moron would not do just that...

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 6:37 PM ET
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I'm posing this "solution"  without knowing if it would work.  Tell me if it doesn't so I'll know for future reference. 

Couldn't the offer of the deal be time sensitive and put books you don't want to be in the deal on "hold"? 

Personally, I would put the terms and details on the bookshelf header since they most likely will have to go to the bookshelf to choose the books they want.

Ruth

ETA - Hi (waving frantically), Cheryl!

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 7:48 PM ET
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I love you too, Kim! Hi Ruth!

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 7:55 PM ET
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I, too, would focus on making the deal more clear. Maybe put in your signature which books are eligible for the deal (or which are NOT, depending on which list would be shorter).

Deals confuse me, unless they're very clear, like 2 books for 1 credit, and the whole bookshelf is included. I actually was interested in one person's deal b/c I was already ordering one book from her (via FIFO, before I knew she was offering a deal). But the deal was so darned confusing that I ended up just ordering the one book from her, even though she had other books I wanted. It was just too much work and I got tired of PMing her back and forth!

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 8:24 PM ET
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I love cats!

 

Thanks Cheryl - I needed that chucke.

 

ETA- extra characters were added to my c/p!

 




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Date Posted: 2/1/2010 8:59 PM ET
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Couldn't the offer of the deal be time sensitive and put books you don't want to be in the deal on "hold"? 

No, because the individual Hold on the Bookshelf removes the book from the FIFO system and reposts it at the end of the line when the Hold is removed. It is not the same as a Vacation Hold for the whole shelf nor like the new Hold on the Wish List that will retain your place in line.

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 9:05 PM ET
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Hypothetically, its not something you will not need to worry about. Your deal offer is so confusing I don't think anyone would request a book expecting a deal without PMing first to see what you are talking about.

I'd recommend setting up a personalized Tag like "katiebegood's 3/1 deal" and state that books on your shelf with that Tag are eligible for a deal instead of being so ambiguous on what is included and what isn't.

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 9:19 PM ET
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Dear Susan and Cheryl,

You both are awesome!
 Just wanted to say..

 :)

Date Posted: 2/1/2010 9:43 PM ET
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Is sending the book as sign of good will an option?
Date Posted: 2/2/2010 8:48 AM ET
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I wouldnt order a book with those deal rules either because it's too vague.  I wouldn't want to pm back and forth to negotiate. 

I've seen others do deals like "3 for 1 on all books posted before x date" or "3 for 1 excluding hardcovers, etc...,"  or "3 for 1 on all books on my shelf tagged Katiebegoods deal". 

 

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