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Subject: What if the ISBN isn't listed anywhere online?
Date Posted: 5/28/2011 5:37 PM ET
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I have a paperback copy of Luv Ya Bunches by Lauren Myracle ISBN 9780810989399.  Not only is this ISBN not found in the system, it's not found anywhere online.  It lists a NY publisher, so I don't think it was issued in another country.  The only date I can find is the copyright year and the year the hardcover was originally published (both 2009).  The other versions of this book that are listed in the system are wish listed.  I received it in January, but it wasn't until my daughter finished reading it and I went to post it that I realized the sender had posted it using the incorrect ISBN.  I have repeatedly searched for this book by ISBN hoping that would get it into the system.  I know I could post it without an ISBN, but is there anything else I can do to get my ISBN added? 

Date Posted: 5/28/2011 6:29 PM ET
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When you post the book use the correct ISBN, under "Post Books" and it will take you to a page where you will have the enter all the information manually (or cutting and pasting) but it will then be listed correctly. The more information you list, including book description, the more likely your book will be requestecd.

Date Posted: 5/28/2011 6:50 PM ET
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Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear.  I meant I've heard before that if you search for a book by ISBN and it's not found in the PBS system, then it will be added if it is in the Amazon sytem (or one of the others PBS gets it info from).  Since this book isn't in any system anywhere online, I was wondering if there's any other way to get the info added into the PBS system without me posting it.  I usually only do wish list multiples due to my need to save on postage.  

Date Posted: 5/29/2011 3:54 PM ET
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If you do a book search with that ISBN and it doesn't appear, check again later.  Try a couple times, but if after 24 hours it's not in the system you can enter it as Sally suggests. 

The problem arises for pre-release books manually entered into the system.  But if it's 2009 and you have a copy in hand...go for it.

BTW - your ISBN doesn't appear on Amazon or B&N and is unlikely to be pulled into the PBS database.  Cross check the back cover and book info page, sometimes one has a typo but the other will have the correct numbers.  Otherwise, you can only post it under the numbers available to you.

Date Posted: 5/29/2011 8:09 PM ET
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If you go to ABEBOOKS.com and plug in that ISBN#, the book comes up, although they only have one copy available there with that ISBN#. (From a dealer in Oregon.)  I would go ahead and list it as if it had no ISBN#, though plug in the # when it asks for it and type in all of the info as noted above.  Probably youwill have to scan the cover image and upload it here to have it show up on your book shelf, but it will and it will show up when people look for the title and author---so it should get requeted some time soon, under the "similar book" listing that PBS puts out for people who have it on their WL.  Good luck.

Date Posted: 5/29/2011 9:15 PM ET
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Since it's a children's book, it might be a school edition sold through school book clubs/book fairs. They sometimes print a cheaper paperback copy for those with a different ISBN.

Date Posted: 5/29/2011 9:35 PM ET
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You don't have to search for an online listing; if there is no record of the ISBN on PBS, then just click on Post Books (Post a Single Book) and put in the number.  It will either bring up the opening screen to enter all the data or not.  If not then you know you'll have to open as a book without an ISBN.   Yours will work, I tried it and then just closed the window. 

If you have a ruler handy, please enter the book dimensions.  We don't see them on the Details page, but they really do help 'behind the scenes'.  :^]



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Date Posted: 5/29/2011 10:20 PM ET
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I suspect that there's a a problem with that ISBN.  The last digit -- in this case, the 9 -- should be the sum of all the other digits.  It's called a "check-sum" digit.  In this case, it's wrong, so the ISBN wouldn't be seen as valid by the software.

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 3:57 AM ET
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Again, I do not want to post my book.  I do know how to post it.  I was simply wondering about other ways to get the info for this ISBN added into the system.  But thanks for trying to help me anyway.
Patty, that's interesting.  I understand  you're saying that there's a problem with the ISBN, but that is definitely the ISBN listed on the book--both on the back cover and on the info/copyright page.  So are you saying it could be counterfeit or something?  How can the last digit be the sum of all the other digits when the first digit is a 9 and 9 is also the highest single digit there is?  Or do you mean (in this case the sum of all the other digits is 71) the last digit should be 7+1=8?  Or the last digit should be 1 since the sum (71) ends in a 1?  Thanks for your help and explanations.  I like to fully understand things.

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Date Posted: 6/1/2011 10:22 AM ET
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The check digit is correct. For ISBN-13 the correct formula for calculationg the check digit is: (sum of all numbers in even positions multiplied by 3 + sum of all numbers in odd positions) mod 10 

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 1:24 PM ET
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Again, I do not want to post my book.  I do know how to post it.  I was simply wondering about other ways to get the info for this ISBN added into the system.  But thanks for trying to help me anyway.
 

The only way to get the info into the system is to post the book. Or "pretend" to post it.

Or, you can post it to your TBR instead, and not your bookshelf.

But you have to type in all the info, it looks like.

It will make a new listing using the ISBN on your book, not a short 5 digit one.

I've had to do this myself when I get Canadian or Australian editions of popular paperback books. In order to add them to PBS with their ISBN (not necessarily post them to my bookshelf) I had to "pretend" to post them and type in all the info. It makes a listing just like any other PBS listing.



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Date Posted: 6/1/2011 1:46 PM ET
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Sassy- I searched the ISBN via OCLC (which is the library of congress data base) and NO book with that ISBN is listed. When doing a title search there are 3 publishers listed Amulet, Abrams and Paw Prints. Abrams and Amulet are both NY publishers. So I do think they messed up the ISBN printing in that book.

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 1:51 PM ET
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Check digits are valid (although I don't know the forumula or how to decode it).  I volunteer in our school library, and if I enter an ISBN incorrectly a screen comes up that tells me the number does not add up correctly and is potentially an invalid ISBN.

My have been an error at the printer or publisher, after being discovered it could have been corrected for future printings but leaving those out in the book world.  Or possibly another reason...???

ETA - some ISBN's end in an X...some software doesn't like those numbers either, and I've no idea what value is assigned to the X so it works with the 'check'.



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Date Posted: 6/1/2011 3:41 PM ET
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ChaNoir, thanks for the check digit info.  I was following you up until the final "mod 10."  What does that mean?
Sara, I don't mind typing in all of the info.  I do book edit updates and image updates nearly everyday.  I'm not sure what you mean by "pretending to post it."  Maybe you could explain that further.  Until recently, when people mentioned TBR I thought they were just talking about the books they had at home waiting to be read.  I'm not sure where to find my TBR list on here.  So if someone can tell me where that list is, and if I type in all of the info and ISBN there, then there would be a listing for it on PBS if people searched for my book by ISBN?
Xengab, weird!  The publisher of my book says Amulet - An imprint of Abrams.  On further inspection, the copyright/book info page says,
"The Library of Congress has categorized the hardcover edition of this book as follows: 
Myracle, Lauren, 1969 -
Luv ya bunches / by Lauren Myracle.
p. cm.
Summary:  Four friends named Katie-Rose, Yasaman, Camilla, and Violet
navigate the ups and downs of fifth grade.  Told through text messages,
blog posts, screenplay, and straight narrative.
ISBN 978-0-8109-4211-0 (Harry N. Abrams, Inc.)
[1. Friendship--Fiction.  2. Schools--Fiction.]  I. Title.  II. Title:  Love ya bunches.
III. Title:  Luv ya bunches.
PZ7.M9955Lu 2009
[Fic]--dc22
2009012585
Paperback ISBN 978-0-8109-8939-9"
Thanks for the info, everyone.  Like I said, I really like to understand everything, so I appreciate your efforts to clue me in. 
Let me just add an FYI:  I have a chronic illness which affects my cognitive abilities, so I don't always follow things to their logical conclusions.  I often need things spelled out very specifically and simply.  In other words, talk to me like I'm a 5-year-old.  Thanks!

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Date Posted: 6/1/2011 4:12 PM ET
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The last ISBN HAS to be incorrectly printed in the books. It CAN happen, the hardcover ISBN is correct and listed in the system from that publisher. Me thinks they were given a bad copy of the book OR they gave the school the misprints for free. I was given various scholastic books that had been 'thrown out" by a friend that had miscut pages, blurry print and I know one had NO ISBN listed when it did have one.

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 4:19 PM ET
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So you think it's just a typo or something?  Since it's from Amulet and not Scholastic, why do you think it's from a school?
Not saying that snotty, it just sorta looks that way.  I'm just curious, since you have a lot of knowledge that I don't.

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 5:27 PM ET
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I suspect it from a a publishers reject bin, given to someone else who had NO clue it was a reject and that type of thing usually happens at libraries, public schools or goodwill. Maybe publishers will giveaway defect/reject books to schools rather then just trashing them because most schools keep them until they fall apart.

Yes I think it is a typo from the publisher since all the other information is totally correct, and can be found in OCLC. Amulet, and Abrams are listed in there as the publishers.  EVERY publisher at some time gets a typo in their books that makes a small print run (or even a large one) unable to be sold. Mostly they get destroyed but some are given away or kept by the people that work at the printing house.

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 5:28 PM ET
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You can "post" a book to your TBR pile by going to "My Account --> My Lists --> TBR Pile"

Then click on the buttom for "Add a Book TBR", and it will look like you are posting a book. (Same screen, except you are "posting" it to your TBR, not your bookshelf).

If you enter a valid ISBN in the field, but there is no PBS listing for the book existing, then it will open up a Book Data page for the listing where you can enter in all the info.

I have seen books where the ISBN was misprinted .... and they just print a ISBN label sticker which they put on top of the ISBN area on the book. I've only seen that on full-color books, though.



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Date Posted: 6/1/2011 7:09 PM ET
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Gotcha.  Thanks so much for all of the input.  Sheesh, I had no idea those ISBN stickers could be covering up a mistake.  I have peeled them off before.  It is even possible I did that on this book, as it has one of those shiny covers that are easy to peel stickers from.  You guys are enlightening me.  Thanks again.

Date Posted: 6/1/2011 10:14 PM ET
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If you enter a valid ISBN in the field, but there is no PBS listing for the book existing, then it will open up a Book Data page for the listing where you can enter in all the info.

How do you get it to open up a Book Data page? I entered an ISBN which isn't in the database, and all I got was an error that says "Sorry, this book has a valid ISBN number, but is not in our database" and nothing else.

Date Posted: 6/3/2011 1:40 PM ET
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After following Sara's instructions, I got the same thing as Valerie.  I think Xengab has already established my ISBN is an incorrect ISBN for my book, although technically maybe it could be considered a valid ISBN since the check digit is valid as stated above by ChaNoir and Denise.  Valerie, I'd try searching for your ISBN online to see if it comes up anywhere else.  If not, maybe yours is an incorrect ISBN as well.

Date Posted: 6/3/2011 1:48 PM ET
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Were you guys attempting to post the book or add it to a list? You have to be posting the book to get the screen to add it. I just did that with sassy's ISBN and the screen came right up to enter all the information. I caution you to have your Bookshelf on Hold if you are doing this with a book you don't want to get requested immediately so that you can add it to the list you want it on, then delete it from your Bookshelf. Also only do it if you have all of the necessary information, no one should add books if they just have ISBNs without information to try to Wish List them that really messes up the listing in the system.  In the case of sassy's book, she has the book so it is perfectly fine to add it to the database.

Date Posted: 6/3/2011 3:19 PM ET
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As I've stated, I do not want my book posted.  Therefore, I was seeking a way to get the info added into PBS's database without posting the book.  I was doing what Sara suggested:

You can "post" a book to your TBR pile by going to "My Account --> My Lists --> TBR Pile" 

I don't want my book added to any particular list, so I probably won't go to all the trouble of putting my bookshelf on hold and posting and deleting the book just to get the info added into the database.  Especially since Xengab said it's an incorrect ISBN.  I have it listed as "wishlisted under different ISBN" and just thought it would be nice if people could find the info on the book by searching for the ISBN.  But that's okay.  I've decided they can just search for the title (or ask me) if they really want info on the book.



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Date Posted: 6/3/2011 6:30 PM ET
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The book I was trying to add is a valid ISBN for the UK version of "Changes" by Jim Butcher, 9781841497136 (you can see it at amazon.co.uk but amazon.com does not recognize it). I was trying to add it to my TBR pile. I will try later doing what you suggested and putting my bookshelf on vacation hold temporarily and adding the book to the database, then move it to my TBR pile.