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Subject: Who needs to cancel?
Date Posted: 9/11/2009 2:38 PM ET
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I have a book BeeKeepers Apprentice, and the first person canceled the request, I had PM'd them that it was an exlibrary book,  I did this with the 2nd person too, they did not want it either so cancelled.  I then get a 3rd person with RCs, one of them was no smoke so I declined with "does not meet RC" BUT now my book has somehow been offered to "2nd person" again. 
Do I need to cancel it or does she? I have emailed her again letting her know its the same book as before.
I have no issues with taking the book off my shelf either or loosing my place in the FIFO line because far as I can tell its the only copy.


thanks, I know I should know this answer but it is not coming to me.

Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 9/11/2009 2:53 PM ET
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I think you need to cancel again. I'm not sure why it got offered to her again, unless the first person got a copy, and that kind of 'reset' the cycle so you have to go through everyone again.

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 3:28 PM ET
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I would cancel and send a PM to let them know what happened (i..e. repeat offer).  I would then NOT repost the book until she did get one.  Just to save the headache.  I would check back periodically to see if this was still on her wishlist.  When it was gone, I would repost.

Ideally she should have RCs so that this wouldn't happen, but that is not the case.

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 3:33 PM ET
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You don't have to PM to let them know its an ex-library book.  Ex-library books are postable and don't require any additional steps like textbooks or cookbooks.  Unless they have an RC saying no library books, you should be able to send it to them.

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 3:38 PM ET
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If it is a Wish List book, then when the first 2 people canceled the order I believe they were removed from the Wish List. Maybe the 2nd person was upset that she wasn't on the Wish List anymore, contacted PBS, and asked to be put back at the front of the Wish List.

(This is one reason why it is better not to PM people about postable books).

The only way that you can get to anyone else in the Wish List is to ask the #1 person to add a RC to her request, that you can decline. Then your book will be offered to the (now) #2 person (the no smoke) RC, which you can also decline, and then finally your book will be offered to the current #3 in the Wish List, who you haven't offered your book to, yet.

Nevermind .. is this the one where there are only 3 people on the Wish List? I think PBS is offering your book to the others because they probably put themselves back on the WL after they canceled their orders ...  so they may have different psoitions in the WL now. So as far as PBS is concerned, you are offering your book to a new person who just joined the Wish List.

I suggest not PMing about it this time, and sending it as long as there is no RC about ex-library books.

Probably the best thing is to wait to post your book until after these 3 people aren't on the WL anymore. Put yourself on the WL (at #4) and when you reach #1, take the book off your WL and post your copy.

Last Edited on: 9/11/09 3:48 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 9/11/2009 4:27 PM ET
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Rick, the reason it got offered to person #2 again is because that person did not have an RC stating no ex-library books--the original poster had just communicated with the requestor about it being ex-library in a PM "on the side." So the system did not know or recognize that person #2 didn't want an ex-library copy.

This is precisely why I don't PM about such things--if you PM about something quirky like ex-library, no dust jacket, etc. that is postable, it can make a big mess of things...several different problematic scenarios depending on whether it's a wishlisted book or the only copy in system or if there are many copies. Either way, someone has to cancel.

If the person doesn't want an ex-library book, they should have that as an RC so that the person they're requesting from can decline for conditions, and then the book stays in the system, moves along to the next person, and no one has to cancel, thus either losing their place in the WL line (in the case of the requestor) or the FIFO line (in the case of the sender.) This particular case is more complicated because now the OP apparently has the only copy in the system, so if those two people who had it WL'd but cancelled because it was an ex-lib. book have it on their reminder list and see that a copy has been posted, they're likely to request it again, not knowing it's the same copy....agh!

Ex-library books are perfectly postable, so there's really no need to PM ahead about them!


Date Posted: 9/11/2009 4:59 PM ET
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This is my theory:

3 people wishing for it.

You PM #1 and she cancels the request and loses her place in line

You PM #2 and again the other member cancels and loses her place in line

You hit #3 with RCs and decline the book and its passed on to the next person

Who happens to be #2 who re-wished for the book after she cancelled it and starts over at the end of the line.

The best thing would be to remove the book from your shelf until they get it or offer it in the Bazaar.

Last Edited on: 9/11/09 7:17 PM ET - Total times edited: 2
Date Posted: 9/11/2009 4:59 PM ET
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I only PM about this book because it is also not the cover shown on the display page and from what I have noticed its a book most people keep.

I know ex library books are postable and this one meets all the PBS rules easily but still that does not mean it wont get  RWAP.

I was able to take off all the library labels so the only thing left is the taped spine, nothing else on it makes it look like an ex library book. IE no stamps inside because it was a Swaps book thus has no barcode. Basically a copy of a popular book that can be taken by patrons and either kept and replaced with another book or brought back. No library borrowing time limit..

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 5:50 PM ET
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If it got an RWP for having a different cover or being ex-library it would not count against you unless you ignored someone's RCs. You are just making extra work for yourself and now you can't post the book because the people on WL for it know it's an ex-library book.  You either have to wait until those wishers get the book-or post it and ask each of them to put up an RC asking for no-exlibrary books.  I think if all 3 wishers have that RC though it will just keep offering it to them over and over again.

You could advertise it in teh book bazaar.

If a book meets PBS guidelines I do not PM before I send it out.  It's up to the requestor to have an RC if they require a dust jacket, no ex-library, no book club editions etc.., Because PMing just causes grief in my experience.  If they don't respond then you have to decide what to do-mail it or not-if it's WL then it just offers it to the same person when you cancel.  PBS should be fun not work.

Date Posted: 9/11/2009 11:32 PM ET
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The cover not matching the picture does not matter.  As long as the ISBN, binding type, author and title all match then send it.

Date Posted: 9/12/2009 2:48 AM ET
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I post books all the time with different covers. And ex-library books. It would never occur to me to PM about it. It is up to the person requesting a book to 1) know what they are requesting, and 2) have an RC if they want something special (like a particular cover or no ex-library).

Also, don't be afraid to get a completely unfounded RWAP. If the book is postable and the receiver does not like it for some reason that they didn't make a RC for ... then they can repost the copy they dislike and request a new one. And, you could tell them so, politely, if they made a RWAP over it. 

Date Posted: 9/12/2009 7:11 AM ET
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Xengab wrote: I know ex library books are postable and this one meets all the PBS rules easily but still that does not mean it wont get  RWAP.

Maybe so, but that doesn't mean anything if you've done nothing wrong, and you're under no obligation to return a credit or anything just because it was RWAP...I have sent probably hundreds of ex-library books (I love my library's FOL sales! LOL) and never PM ahead of time...I have only had 2 or 3 people who said anything about them being ex-library. An unfounded RWAP won't count against you in the great scheme of things, nor will things like sending a book without a dust cover, a different cover image than is showing, etc.

On those few that did complain, they were mostly new folks who didn't realize they were postable, so I just gently corrected them, pointing them to the relevant place in the Help Docs and moved on. Actually, one of them said, "When I've gotten other books that were ex-library, people PMd me ahead of time so I knew," which is another reason I dislike the PM thing--it sets up expectations that this is what is SUPPOSED to happen, when it isn't.