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Subject: wow, wonder if this person knew I would see the response
Date Posted: 4/23/2008 11:15 PM ET
Member Since: 5/10/2007
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I am not very picky about my books but there are a few books (2) that I'm looking to get in hardback for my keeper shelf and would like the DJ in good condition (no rips or tears etc)

So I requested one ISBN but no DJ on that copy.  found another ISBN for the hb and sent the request through the FIFO system again.  It went to one person.  they cancelled or said it didn't meet or something so it moves onto the 2nd person.  Somehow the first person got the request again.  In my TA it shows to declines with the same person.

anyway, this person fills out the box and maybe didn't realize that it was going to me and said this:

 will make the comment again that I think it is fair for the person to request a book that has not been in a smoking environment.  However I think it is grossly wrong for them to be able to put a restriction that the book have a dust cover.  This is a used book club and not a place for someone to shop for the best.  If they want a book under those circumstances then they need to go to the appropriate store and pay whatever the purchase price is.  The paperback version I have was printed in 1977 so it does show some wear but it is entirely readable being in good shape for 31 years old.

Hopefully with this message you will be able to take this book off my listings.

Also if I had the persons email address I would write and tell them that they should not be able to shop books for the best condition.

no clue why they think I am "shopping".  I just asked for the book with a DJ to be in good condition, which to me meant no rips or tears....maybe I should have said that?  but it didn't matter because they didn't even have this book in hb, only pb which makes me wonder if they posted it wrong.

anyway, it is just frustrating because apparently this person doesn't know how PBS is supposed to work and that for someone to have a request like this doesn't mean that they are shopping.  I even stated in my RC that it is for my keeper shelf!

oh well, some day I'll find the book in hb with a DJ in decent condition!

Date Posted: 4/23/2008 11:32 PM ET
Member Since: 11/14/2005
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Sometimes, I think people that gripe about RCs are just sour graping because they can't send their book!  :)

Date Posted: 4/24/2008 12:06 AM ET
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It sounds like this person does not know how PBS works. They are obviously not posting it correctly since they are posting a paperback under a HC listing; they don't know that the sender can see their complaining; and they had to have accepted the RCs and then cancelled for it to show up your TA. That would also be why you got them a second time, because they cancelled the order and then reposted it.

Sounds like she/he posted the book incorrectly because it was WLed thinking they could get a quick credit and got crotchety because your RCs didn't let them do that.

Date Posted: 4/24/2008 8:22 AM ET
Member Since: 5/10/2007
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yes, this person thinks that just because the iSBN matches that all is good.  I told this person they must list the book as if there is no ISBN because it doesn't match all 4 requirements.  they may have shipped out 78 books (according to them, no profile) but they don't know the rules.  I even contacted the 2nd person to ask and he said his was  PB also, so they must have reused the ISBN which wouldn't be surprising since the book is 30 years old.

they still think I am taking advantage of the system for the reason Sherry mentioned, that they don't get to send the book out and get a credit.

Date Posted: 4/24/2008 8:43 AM ET
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I doubt it is the case here, but the rules on binding DID change.   They did so, as so many things here, quietly.

When the reused ISBN first came up the response from R&R was if you wanted to be sure of the binding you had to PM--the sender's only responsibility was to match the ISBN.

At some point this changed to the current status, where it's the sender's responsibility to not list books by ISBN if the database is incomplete.

I'm sure I had mis-listed books on my shelf for a while because I'd listed them under the original statement and didn't see the change until after it had been "live" for a while. 

Date Posted: 4/24/2008 9:32 AM ET
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I'm not sure how long this person has been a member (no profile and oldest posted book is 2/07), but I joined nearly a year ago and it has always been this way.  It is possible that they were members before BUT when they rejected my request and then relisted the book they would have had to ignore the box asking if everything matched.

I can't imagine if I didn't happen to have the RC up what would have happened.  I have a feeling I wouldn't have gotten my credit back from this person so I probably would have refused the book....of course I wouldn't know that at the time but when I received it there is a big difference between a hb and pb!

Date Posted: 4/24/2008 9:50 PM ET
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Leslie, I can sympathize... just in the last couple of days this happened to me. (

An uncalled for response to requestor conditions).

This is what the sender wrote as the reason for declining:

"This is a used book swap. I really do not appreciate when members have
long lists of requests about the books they are asking to be mailed at
my cost unless it is for health reasons such as a non-smoking
household or pet-free. I do not use this service as a re-sale service and when
I read a lot of requests that is the first thing that comes to mind."

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My requestor conditions are:

that I prefer all HB fiction to have dust jackets. (I like the cover art)

that the books are pre-wrapped in plastic.

and that books at least meet PBS standards.

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Usually I don't think anything of it if someone refuses my request. I know that is a chance I run by having RC's on my orders. It doesn't bother me at all. I know that it may take a time or two, but I will get the book eventually.

I think that it is great that the sender can decline the request if they want to.

Now, what does irk me is the smart=== remarks that are included some of the replies. 

And that people make across the board assumptions about people they have never even met.

So based on that I did respond to the person, with this:

"This is inappropriate. You should have just responded, does not meet requestor conditions,or I do not  fill books with requestor conditions.

No need for all the other comments.

I usually do not get offended if I am refused. I know that with RC's it happens. No big deal.

And, just FYI, I do not resell my books. I am simply trying to start a new home library after losing a lifetime collection of books, due to a long drawn out divorce where they were disposed of before I was able to get access to them.

And you have a nice day."

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 ETA  on my conditions I also that that the books are for my keeper shelf.



Last Edited on: 4/24/08 9:51 PM ET - Total times edited: 1
Date Posted: 4/27/2008 6:26 PM ET
Member Since: 1/25/2007
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While I say I agree with people that this is a used book site and no need to expect books to be perfect, I disagree with the rude way some people point that out.

I have been a member also for over a year. I make a point to be very picky with the books I post. A request for a book to have a dust jacket makes sense to me. A simple "No, sorry my book doesn't have the dust jacket." is all that it is needed to be said.

I've been on the other end a few times when I mailed a book that was in great used condition and some MAILED it back to me with a note "I sent this back to you just so you could see the condition of this book." I was confused and finally the only flaws I saw were "A little shelf wear and a small pencil mark inside the cover." That's it. Now times like that you need to remind someone this is a used book site and the books are used.

I find it sad people need remind others in their conditions to make sure the book meets PBS rules. It shows that when you post the book. I'd think you have to be blind not to see that.

Hopefully you can find the book. I've bought a few books off Ebay that were really cheap. They have been on my wish list for awhile and never shown up. So maybe you can try Ebay if you can afford it. I think the books I bought were under $3 and shipping was only $2 something making the total $5. But still that is $5 more than here where they are kind of free.

Rick B. (bup) - ,
Date Posted: 4/27/2008 9:53 PM ET
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I can see it both ways. It's a free country, and you can request what you want, but hoping for a 31-yo hardback that still has the dust jacket, with no rips or tears, sounds really optimistic.

Maybe I'm wrong, though. I've been wrong about fifty times already today. What's the book? Is it collectible?

patticom - ,
Date Posted: 4/28/2008 2:42 AM ET
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Wow, Leslie, that's just something else.  You know, I see no reason for people to be so rude about these things, and am frankly shocked at the hostility some people show in what could be very simple transactions... even if you strongly disagree with someone's RC or receive a RWP book, is it really necessary to be insulting about it??  Good grief!! 

This caught my eye in the reply, though:

Hopefully with this message you will be able to take this book off my listings.

If they are waiting for someone else to take their book off of their own listings, it really sounds like this person needs a guide to help them understand the system!!

Date Posted: 4/28/2008 8:00 AM ET
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hoping for a 31-yo hardback

I had the impression that it was the incorrectly-posted PB that was 31 yo, not the hardback.  But hey, I could be wrong too. =)

Date Posted: 4/28/2008 9:52 AM ET
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you are correct Jo, the book they had listed was NOT a hardback but a paperback so if I had not had the RC I would have received a paperback listed as a hardback and then had to ask for my credit back because it did not match all 4 requirements.

Rick, while I tend to agree that some 30 year old hardbacks might have a DJ in bad condition, I just received another book by the same author (I am trying to collect just a few books for my keeper shelf) from the same time frame (late 70's early 80's) with a DJ in excellant condition.  I also have many HB books that are 30 years old and have DJ in good condition.   So it isn't a totally unreasonable request

Ashley, I may look at ebay or amazon....I'm not in any hurry so don't mind waiting for a bit to see if I can find it on one of the 3 swap sites I am on.  I found the other book so I am optimistic!

Date Posted: 4/29/2008 11:03 AM ET
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One of the things I've learned on PBS is that not everyone takes good care of their books.  Shocking, really, but there you have it.  I have some very old books on my shelves (over 50 years old) that are in far better condition than some of the three-year-old books I've gotten here.  I think that many members are picking up books anywhere and everywhere just to post them, and sadly they are getting books from people who didn't take very good care of them.  Asking for a book with a dust jacket in good condition (even one that's decades old) doesn't seem like an unusual request to me, but then books are important to me, and thankfully my parents taught me to treat them well. 

I hope you're able to get a copy of the hardback with DJ!  I'd definitely suggest checking at Amazon.

Date Posted: 5/4/2008 11:24 PM ET
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